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DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 14:57:00 - [1] On 01/11 the ASCN leader CYVOK set a series of goals for his members. At the time of setting these objectives, ASCN had spent the previous day spamming POS into GQ2s and H8-. Due to ASCN's fear of using thier dreadnoughts, we ignored H8- and focused on GQ2s. Our POS in H8- are not in any danger. In GQ2S, ASCN had 13 large pos. They added a further 1 large and 1 small (already reinforced). We had 5 large pos (1 for each BoB corp). As we have said previously, we are not going to get into a pos spamming war with ASCN. This, however, was misinterpreted by ASCN as us being afraid to fight for a system. We are not. Quote: ASCN Goals thru Monday 1) Reinforce the ASCN POSÆs in H8 & GQ2. Keep them alive at all costs and constantly add more to those systems as we get time to. 2) Keep the huge Carrier/fighter supported gangs on the front lines. Stay smart and steadily kill the BoB fleets. 3) Break out the dreads when we can and pot shot the BoB towers into reinforced. 4) Maybe make a road trip into delve to destroy a couple BoB Capital Ship Yards. 5) Retaking and holding H8 & GQ2 are primary goals. If it is impossible to do that take the fleet into TPAR and take that system from BoB. So, I want to tackle each of CYVOK's goals for ASCN and show the result of each of these goals. 1) Since Wednesday, we have had the dreadnoughts out permanently killing their pos. Every pos we could kill is dead. This includes a 100 cruise missile launcher POS (which must have taken 25 hours to put up). I would have cried if I was the dude who placed that one. ASCN have 6 more POS in reinforced coming out soon, which we will also kill. In H8- neither side currently has sov. It is a stalemate. Therefore, ASCN have failed to reinforce their pos, they have failed to keep them alive at all costs and they have failed to constantly add more to the systems. RESULT: FAIL 2) The huge carrier/fighter fleet was very impressive, when it was around. ASCN rolled out 140 fighters on friday night. They then sat them at a pos for about 4 hours letting us kill another POS in the meantime. Finally when their fighter numbers had dropped to around 100ish, they attacked our dread fleet in siege mode backed up by a full ASCN fleet of around 100. A ballsy manouver and an amazing fight went down. In the end, all BoB dreads and all BoB battleships remained unscathed. ASCN's fleet was wiped out along with a massive amount of fighters. This was the last time we saw the carrier/fighter fleet in any size. It simply vanished from the front lines. RESULT: FAIL 3) This is a simple one. We haven't lost a POS to ASCN Dreadnoughts in the last two weeks. In fact, the last time they took their dreadnoughts out to play, they lost 7 of them. RESULT: FAIL 4) As above, coupled with the fact that ASCN seem frozen and unable to act together more than once per week. RESULT: FAIL 5) GQ2s is completely under our control. H8- has no sov for either alliance. TPAR is completely under our control. RESULT: FAIL Conclusion: ASCN HC are setting unrealistic goals for ASCN members. They appear to be completely unaware of the actual capabilities of thier own alliance and the numbers available to them. The goals set above are long term goals in a short term setting. ASCN appear to be trying to play EVE with Quake-like Timelines, rocketjumping around with no focus. The reasons for this are simple and once again come down to leadership. The BoB leaders are there on the frontlines, fighting our asses off alongside our members. Quite simply, we are leading. The ASCN HC appears to be absent without leave, in fact, just on Saturday night, when ASCN couldn't even raise a fleet to stand in our way, we killed the ASCN HC member, SamuraiJack, carebearing lightyears behind the front lines. You can see this kill on Saturday night on our killboard in RIT-A7 at 22:01. Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 14:58:00 - [2] Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 14:58:13 This is the gentleman that is the ASCN nominated voice on the map thread. One whom I have constantly questioned to whether he had any clue about what was going on due to his inaccurate posting (hi, I still can't fly a barge). ASCN, if this is the example your HC set you urgently need to get them working for you and not just for their own gains. ASCN Members, your HC has failed you this weekend. I can understand completely why you have deserted GQ2s. I would too tbh. However, I am sure this is just a minor blip. After your victory in PNQ (you were going to use that to attack fountain right? No rush I suppose), your leaders have you POS sitting again because you can't go toe to toe with BoB. Your goals for the weekend have failed. Your fleets have failed. Your Capital ships have failed. Your HC has failed. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:16:00 - [3] Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 15:16:21 Originally by: Kaleeb So DBP if you were in charge of ASCN what would you do differently to change the tide of the war? I believe I answered this above. I'd turn up. Originally by: Lt Widowmaker more forms game? Why dont you tell the good people of eve, what you lost? I bet you wont. Over the weekend? BoB lost a few battleships and some support. You can read our killboard for full details. Cheers, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 15:30:00 - [4] Acan is an idiot and posted incorrect figures. However, for totality I will post the actual figures since the beginning of the war. I believe we lost 2 small BNC.E pos in TPAR 3 weeks ago and 1 small RKK pos in delve in 49- to a battleship fleet last week. BoB members, engage brain and get your facts correct before posting. thx, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 16:39:00 - [5] Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 16:39:34 Gob, You are correct, it was Thursday night, Friday morning. I was there though. We killed a POS while u had 140 fighters out at your pos. This number dropped to around 100 when you finally attacked us. If you cov ops couldn't find us, I'm sorry mate, get new cov ops pilots. I can probably get you the details of which pos we killed if you really want to call me on it. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.05 23:12:00 - [6] Edited by: DB Preacher on 05/11/2006 23:14:27 Originally by: LeviUK I'm not saying that the war is unfair etc, ASCN made themselves a pretty target but it's the endless crowing about your victories and their ineptness in PVP that just looks very embarassing for you. Is it more or less embarrassing than a 5000 man alliance than can't front 50 people to fight for thier space on a sunday night on any front? Whereas 1 month before the war, there was probably about 500 people mining? And is it more or less embarrassing that ASCN HC continues to tell ASCN that victory is within their grasp, that they have us on the back foot and that their goals are being concluded? As long as ASCN HC continue to lie to their members and the EVE-O public about their abilities (in eve-tribune and the map thread), we'll continue to show up their lack of abilities. Thanks, dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 07:55:00 - [7] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 07:59:49 Originally by: Father Calistas ASCN has some excellent PVP corps, but as BOB should well know, numbers don't tell the whole story. This battle isn't 1600 on 5000, it's 1600 vs the active and interested PVPers of ASCN. Sure, ASCN is trying hard to get everyone keen, but realistically that just won't happen. The alliances are very different and have very different membership. BOB, you're fighting ASCN, a fairly loose association of industrialists of very mixed skill and interest level. ASCN is fighting as hard as it can, as often as it can. How about some respect for that? I think you missed part of my point. Nothing in that post has to do with disrespect for the general fleet. It only has to do with your HC telling you that you are better than you are. If you are only a "loose association of industrialists with mixed skill and interest levels" then why is HC setting ridiculous orders like "TAKE BACK GQ2S IN 5 DAYS". Keep working for HC all you want but in the end you need to look at the alternatives that the other corps in your alliance are already starting to look at. Originally by: Porter Hadlend This illuminating comment comes from the person who has 2 kills in the conflict and then the next most recent kill is in August. Stats from your killboard of course. DB Preacher is a vulture pilot who is on the field constantly in every war. I also have a frig pilot, bs pilot and dreadnought pilot in the system. Since wednesday I've been at the majority of the pos killing. Questioning my participation is not wise as I have the rest of BoB to back it up. However, that was not the point I was making. The point was that when BoB leadership logs in, it logs in and is on the frontlines. We killed SamuraiJack carebearing 30 jumps from the frontline while the rest of his alliance could barely get a fleet together and were crying out for a leader of some sort. The sooner ASCN members simply stand up and question "where the heck is HC?" and "what the heck are these unrealistic goals?"... the better for both sides. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:12:00 - [8] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 09:13:56 You mean the great ASCN Industrial machine won't/can't replace your leaders ships? So in the meantime, without any leaders, only 50 peeps log on for ASCN to fight and the rest dissapear? Let me give you some advice. You can't win a war by hiding at the back. You can't win a war without absent leaders. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:52:00 - [9] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 09:53:33 Originally by: Gungankllr I still don't get why you guys keep trying to poke at our leadership, everyone in ASCN sees how utterly transparent your efforts to undermine the confidence we have in them is. Because maybe, just maybe, you'll realise that what they are feeding you is terrible. Then maybe you will evolve as an alliance and realise what you need to do in this war. If you want to remain blinded and can honestly say your alliance leaders are doing you and your alliance mates justice then I can tell you now, they are not. Because right now, everyone, including your own alliance can see that the only place this war is going is with ASCN sitting in AZN wondering how they lost everything else. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 09:56:00 - [10] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 09:58:31 Originally by: King Fury Originally by: DB Preacher DB Preacher is a vulture pilot who is on the field constantly in every war. So this is your alt DBP?? Lol and you flame people constantly for not having the balls to post with their main, Oh the irony So who are you kick-ass alts that get all the kills? I know, I know, It's difficult to read so I have highlighted the important part of my sentance for you. DB Preacher is my main who is around during every single BoB war since the beginning of BoB. Currently she takes a different role, boosting BoB members in the field instead of flying her raven in combat. I use my alts for pvp. Like I said in my original post. Don't cry, it's ok. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.06 20:49:00 - [11] Edited by: DB Preacher on 06/11/2006 20:56:34 Originally by: CYVOK I was writing a real funny reply based on the topic posters orgional post. It was complete with the failures of BoB. The failure of BoB to cripple ASCN in 3 days (comming up on week 6 now), The failure of BoB to convince ASCN that we cannot win, the failure of BoB to show EvE they are honorable fighters, the failure of BoB to fight like "men" without spies and lame tactics, the failure of BoB to steam roll ASCN, the failure of BoB to convince anyone except themselves how powerful they are. But... its just not worth my time. BoB's propaganda machine and spin factory is simply to skilled for anything resembling the truth to get out. If I lived in my parents basement maybe I could have time to spam the EvE-O forums all day with how great I am, but, alas I am cursed with having a real life to attend to. You guys continue to enjoy your EvE-O war, for sure its the only place you can win with the "tank-rush". -CYVOK- That's an interesting rebuttal to your failure as an alliance leader this weekend. Your goals were unnsuccesful so instead of standing up and commenting you simply make up some fake bob goals and abuse me irl. But then I suppose there is no real answer. I wonder if you have explained to the ASCN members why you failed to deliver? It does, after all, rest in your hands does it not? Take a look around you CYVOK. Breathe in slowly (actually don't, you might choke on the stench of defeat and fear exuding from your alliance mates). Just enjoy the view of what is beginning of the end of your alliance as you know it. Who wants to bet on how long before the penny drops with Cyvok? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 13:48:00 - [12] Continuing on from the original post. Of the 16 towers that ASCN tried to POS SPAM into GQ2s on Wednesday, all are dead bar 1 remaining. That one was placed yesterday and within 30 minutes of going online it was also hit into reinforced mode. It will be killed when it comes out of reinforced mode on wednesday. ASCN have no real defence in GQ2S, they cannot even raise a gang at our weakest timezone that can stop us killing their pos. POS Spamming is a very valuable tool but only if you defend your poses with a fleet otherwise they will simply be killed. You can't outbore us, have you forgotten the lessons of the GNW, and FA/SA wars? ASCN appears to be crumbling into pieces with corps getting kicked for spying (they weren't hehe but I guess cyvok needs to be shown to be doing something), corps hiding from the front line and numbers dropping in all their gangs horrfically so that they can't even use their fighter bombs to mass capacity! If it continues like this, we are going to have more BoB spies on the field for ASCN than ASCN members gg dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 14:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: DB Preacher Continuing on from the original post. Of the 16 towers that ASCN tried to POS SPAM into GQ2s on Wednesday, all are dead bar 1 remaining. If this is true ASCN are more hopeless than anyone could have possibly imagined. It is true, I can quote you the moons they were placed and when we killed them if you really care. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 15:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Jackkal Well most alliences have real lifes with jobs and families. They cant sit and play eve all day everyday like some alliences we all know. Then they should go back to carebearing in empire and leave the alliance building to those who are prepared to work at it. p.s. average age of BoB is probably 27+, have steady relationships, have 2.5 children (some of them are only half children ;)) and a steady job. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.07 19:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Aberash Another pointless Flame as much as we can topic, gratz Excuse me? Flame? No sir, this is reality. Sitting pointing at posts saying OMG flame, OMG propoganda, OMG lies without reading or responding to the points raised does nothing for your alliance. Anyone can simply flame and abuse me. It takes real balls to actually stand up and actually look within your alliance at the problems you are having instead of sitting with your heads in the sand. ASCN seems to have a few decent people... gobby, gungan and fitz chivalry all seem to have half a clue and right now you are all sitting watching your alliance going down the tubes. I don't know how you can do it tbh. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 09:48:00 - [16] Edited by: DB Preacher on 08/11/2006 09:49:39 Originally by: Danari It's incredible how different the bob in here looks from the bob in gq2. You have your moments, don't get me wrong. Okay you have your days. But when ascn got smarter in picking our fights with you, you guys got so loss adverse I couldn't tell you apart from burn eden. You got chased off gates and stations hundreds of times, only to insist on coming in at sniper ranges. The thing is, you guys seriously if you had stood and fought would have held the field with respectable losses on both sides. But you kept running from fights I fully expected were in your favor. This is so starkly contrasted from the bob proper (tm) days in Feyth months ago when you'd just say **** it, jump in and bash us to bits. What happened to you guys? Seriously you used to be so much better. Oh yeah. Dice lol. Interesting viewpoint. When you got smarter? The only difference I have seen in ASCN is that you have changed from using your pilots to using drone fighters and trying to fighterbomb us. Doesn't say much for the intelligence of the ASCN pvp'ers that in order to get smarter they had to be replaced with AI drones. And tbh, that doesn't have too much to do with the original post. How do you feel about losing your grip on GQ2s completely? How do you feel about what BoB is going to do next? Do you see anyway out for ASCN? Do you feel like ASCN HC actually has any control on what is going on or any sort of grasp of the reality of the situation? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 10:53:00 - [17] Originally by: Otellus You're funny. For all the flaws ASCN supposedly has, you lost grip on H8 last weekend and have failed to reestablish it, didn't you. I think the military phrase is called "overextending yourself". Indeed we know what is going on. How long do you think it will take us to knock down your 6 large pos inside H8-? We moved into 2 systems at once, one to establish a forward base of operations and one to establish a beachhead. The beachhead is now established, where do you think will drop next? Originally by: Otellus We have noticed your severe lack of numbers to the extent you had to send a fleet of some of your slaves (Dark Rising) into Esoteria last night to bolster your numbers. Strange because everyone on your forums is amazed at just how big our numbers are compared to yours. ASCN couldn't even raise 50 pvp'ers this weekend at prime alliance time. As for Dark Rising, they are doing their own thing in Esoteria and are not in BoB gangs. They asked to come down and have some fun and fun they are having! Originally by: Otellus Yes you have GQ2 for now, good for you. But you also know that you will need to siege hundreds more Large POSses to win this war, and need to win 100% of those fights. We need to win only 1 or 2% of the fights over those POSses and your dreadfleet will be destroyed. Do you think we can't replace our dreadnoughts? Do you think our industrial capabilities have been dissolved? Do you think we aren't still turning a profit even during war times when we are piling billions into this war? If you answer yes to any of the above then you are going to be very surprised. All this war has talked about the industrial capabilities of ASCN... all I can say is, ours is much better during war times than yours. Originally by: Otellus So all you can resort to is pathetic statements in order to try and demoralize us, because you don't want to lose your precious dreads, which only takes 1 botched fight on your part or 1 smart move on our part. Nice try though. I'll give you an A for effort. The statement is not to demoralize you, it is to make you realise that your current leaders are lying to you and setting you unrealistic goals. It's nice that you didn't answer any of the questions I asked, instead threw some abuse my way and looked for where you could, maybe do something. I'll ask you again: How do you feel about losing your grip on GQ2s completely? How do you feel about what BoB is going to do next? Do you see anyway out for ASCN? Do you feel like ASCN HC actually has any control on what is going on or any sort of grasp of the reality of the situation? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 11:34:00 - [18] I guess when you have no answers left, the only real answer is to try and derail the thread. Congratulations Gungan on your first informative post in your new role. I look forward to seeing more of your posts but I hope they attempt to stay a bit more on topic for the sake of your posting ability. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.08 11:58:00 - [19] Originally by: Gungankllr Originally by: DB Preacher I guess when you have no answers left, the only real answer is to try and derail the thread. Congratulations Gungan on your first informative post in your new role. I look forward to seeing more of your posts but I hope they attempt to stay a bit more on topic for the sake of your posting ability. dbp I guess my attempt at humor failed too. (Or you just don't have a sense of humor) I am perfectly happy with my sense of humour and considering how often I am laughed at on these forums it seems everyone else is too. However, what you and trev (who seems to be continuing) just did is to try and derail the thread because you are afraid to answer the difficult questions laid out in this thread. Considering the lack of retorts in this thread from ASCN stating why the original post is incorrect and the constant fear of your members to speak up against your HC, it can only really mean one thing... Everything I have said is true. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.09 05:54:00 - [20] Edited by: DB Preacher on 09/11/2006 06:00:59 Morning, As of a few minutes ago, the final pos in GQ2S was felled. At BoB's weakest TZ, we raised a large fleet, 12 dreads, a moship and a titan. ASCN's defence was 1 dude self destructing ships inside the pos. For the past week and a half ASCN have been unable to raise anything against us in GQ2S and they have pulled back to 3ppt. The battle for GQ2S is over, ASCN have lost. ASCN HC's failure is complete. The next battle is just around the corner. Stay Tuned. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

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